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Fruitarian Diets: Pro and Con

by T B
Copyright © 1996-2001 by T. E. B.; all rights reserved.

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I accept your copyrights and be sure, i never would copy and paste it in public, but i had to quote you, because you gave me pain in my brain.

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Editorial Note (1):

I allow myself to quote your text, as you had been wraping my fruit-brain.
Also accept my personal copyrights, as you forced me to use my words to handle your published issues.
Copyright © 1995-2009 by Rudolf Sappel; as all my rights are reserved too.

This is a revision of an article, the first issue of which was written in 1996. Although the article was (partially) updated in uploading it here, readers should be aware that it might not fully represent my current views. I am making it available on the web, as parts of it may be helpful or relevant to others who are considering a fruitarian diet.
Introduction.
This paper is based on my direct experience as a fruitarian, and on my observation of, and association with, fruitarians over a period spanning many years. I was a fruitarian for most of the 1970's, when I lived in Florida. See my dietary bio on the Beyond Veg website for details. I no longer follow a fruitarian diet; instead I strongly recommend that others follow a more diverse (less extreme) and more balanced diet.
Fruitarian Diets: Pro and Con


I guess, you punished yourself with the fruitarian diet, instead of enjoying it, or you got punished from your ancient food-contrahends in the 70's.

B's Definition of Fruitarianism:
Fruitarianism is defined as a diet that is predominantly raw fruit (75+% by weight), with the remainder of the diet being composed of raw vegetarian (raw vegan) foods. Here fruit has the common definition, i.e., the reproductive parts of a vine, bush, or tree, that includes a juicy pulp. The common definition is used here rather than the botanical, as the botanical definition is too broad, e.g., grain is considered a fruit under the botanical definition (but not the common definition).

Summary Statement on Fruitarianism:

Fruitarianism is possible according to idealistic dietary theory, but it can be very difficult in practice. The diet has many pitfalls that can cause serious problems for the would-be fruitarian. Fruitarianism portrays fruit as the ideal natural food, yet modern fruit is the product of generations (in some cases, thousands of years) of human-directed plant breeding. In short, modern fruit has been bred for a high sugar content, and is greatly over-rated as a food.

Yes it can be difficult, because the social ambient is also important aswell the the intact fruit-culture, wich is quite damaged.

Very few people claim to succeed on the fruitarian diet, in the long term. Additionally, the high incidence of binge eating, "cheating," and backsliding in raw veganism raises serious questions regarding the credibility of the few claims of long-term success.

You are using the word cheating, while we mean failing. It is like learning to ride a bike. In the beginning we are falling and after some while we are able to ride without falling.

Here, one should apply common sense: there are very few long-term success stories, and even fewer credible success stories for fruitarianism. Does that suggest that it is the "ideal, natural" diet for everyone, as its advocates claim, or a fringe diet that appeals primarily to idealists?

Very few KNOWN long-term-fruitarians did not stop to do it the right way.
May be we should have learned better from the specialists, instead listening the destructive autosuggestions of our food-conquistatores to torture our body with fanatic preached fruitarian-titan-disciplin in a pathologic field.

his question deserves serious consideration, particularly if you are considering adopting the diet, as you may be putting your health at risk.

It seems that you are doing the same, others did to me. You are trying to suggest me your experience-unit loading it on tired fruitarian shoulders.
Had you been too prowd to ask for fruitarian support, or had you been the only one fruitarian that time, except Steven Jobs?


Fruitarianism: B' s Pro's

Don't you think, that it could sound a bit pathetic, when you are talking about fruitarian benefits, after squeesing fruitarians with your destructible prophecies.
I have to digest all your wrotten nervous breakdown-symptoms from over thirty years ago.
Your words sound quite powerful to fearsome naiv people to take all their beautiful dreams away, to give them your bitterness instead.

It seems you are trying to help the fruitarians, by mutate their fruitarian motivation down to zero. painting our lifes just as unfortunate, as you ended up, but i want to believe the good part of your honest try.
You sayed:

Fruit is widely regarded as the best tasting raw vegetarian food, and eating fruit is certainly pleasant--after all, we (nearly) all like sugar! :-)
It is said to be a "cleansing diet," and may be helpful (in the short run) as a therapeutic diet. (This applies to other raw food diets as well, including non-vegetarian raw diets.)

May be you had not felt much love in your life, when i read your outing, as you may be ate lot's of sweet fruits, to compensate your local issues.

Fruit, if it is grown locally and not shipped, refrigerated, fumigated, subjected to heat/cold treatment to kill fruit flies, etc., might be considered to be a "low violence" food. However, shipping fruit, refrigerating it, etc. all involve some level of violence to the environment. Fruit subjected to such processing cannot be considered a "low violence" food. In other words, to use the New Age terminology, most fruit is neither "cruelty-free" nor "karma-free."

Here you are right and i am fully with you.

Promotes weight loss and gives you a light body.

Who wants to loose weight, is may be to big, or suffers allready with complexes, while he is fine. That means you are talking about mental miss-files..

Fruitarianism alters your mental state, promoting a light and airy mental feeling that some find pleasant. Some interpret this as a "spiritual" feeling.
In the short run, it can promote physical health, i.e., you appear to be immune to many illnesses, and injuries may heal quickly. This, combined with the "light" mental effect, may make it appear that you are somehow experiencing a "higher" state of living.
ok..
Your respiratory system may function better on a fruitarian diet than on other (cooked) diets, though only slightly better (or the same) as other raw food diets.
It may sharpen your senses to an extraordinary degree, specifically the senses of taste and smell. Your sense of smell may get so sharp *** that it is (emotionally) painful to sit in the same room with someone who eats a lot of garlic, or who smells of tobacco.

*** here is the jumping-point, you are telling me, that you had been suffering about having less human tolerance that time, or that you could not handle you human integration nor your life-style, or was it simply for narcistic reasons? ( that may indicate a narcistic personality syndrom) If you cannot smell garlic, nor tabacco, why did you try to get commun with your disturbing factors?..let me guess?.. may be you did it, because you wanted to have human access social conection to others, and you felt isolated and separated from the human race, as you did not life with happy developed fruitarians. You seem to be a very social creature and i like you somhow. i think, that you had been very ill going through a hard time, that could have been easy.

Your personal inner our outer contrahends made you even more ill, because you wanted to do everything right..?..

It may reduce the amount of water you need to drink, as fruit has a high water content.

Right, but then you have to eat a bit more healthy and ripe fruit.
I switched to eat less and drink up and on, allowing myself not to suffer in any case. I only suffer, when i do not get the right fruit, wich is quite possible, with all that pesicide-fungi-crab..


Fruitarianism: Con

Modern fruit is expensive, and often lacking in freshness and/or quality as a result of shipping, refrigeration, fumigation, and other post-harvest processing. The importance of year-round access to good quality local fruit may limit the applicability of fruitarianism

It is not the fault of fruitarians that you blame modern fruit being expensive, often lacking in freshness and/or quality as a result of shipping, refrigeration, fumigation, and other post-harvest processing.
Strict fruitarians usually experience severe weight loss, with weight stabilizing at levels associated with anorexia nervosa or starvation. It is extremely difficult to gain weight on a fruit diet, even if you overeat avocados.

It is not the fault of fruitarians, that our nature has to stand human wars.

Advocates of fruitarianism claim that anyone can succeed on their ideal, natural fruitarian diet if they have faith or positive thinking. This is an obvious contradiction: does the cow need faith to succeed on diet of grass? Does the lion need positive thinking to succeed on a diet of zebra, antelope, and wildebeest meat? Of course not! If you need faith to succeed, it is probably not the "ideal, natural" diet as claimed by the advocates.

What the cow needs more then herbs i don't really know, may be it's also human faith, poluting the cow to disease..

What the lion thinks, he knows best.
He acts as a lion and is doing his only natural job.
We need faith to succeed, as the fruitarian life-space and the tradicional fruitvariety had been reduced by humans during fashistic Colonialism. You lost your faith and you did not get over the long-term-withdrawal-effects about your educated human habits, you wanted to give up


The diet was extremely difficult for you, and you found that a fruit diet is neither physically nor psychologically satisfying anymore for you, as you got dissapointed by humans, or unripe fruits?!..


Hunger and cravings are frequent, and backsliding, cheating, and binge eating are very common.
The second time you name cheating..that must have been a real problem for you that time..(long-term-withdrawal-effects)


The diet is extremely easy, aslong you know what you are doing and wether you are living in a fruitarian friendly location.


Fruitarians often display food-obsessive behavior. Did you ? Take two pieces of bread, give one to an anoretic [an individual suffering from anorexia nervosa; see note (2) at end], and another to a fruitarian. The anoretic thinks, "I can't eat this bread, it will make me fat!". The fruitarian may think in a similar matter: "I can't eat this bread!" - with the reason(s) cited being one or more of the following delusions:
So youve' got anorexia aswell..you had serious personal problems in your brain, i guess..

Was it precisely, what you had been thinking or - do you allready know by experience what other fruitarians are thinking, and what cases are suffering from your named diseases? Had you been in the unlucky left behind fruitarians, mobbed out, or just forgotten?

Do you understand your mission to prevent other fruitarians from the same mistakes, you made at your own? If yes, do you think that it is the right way to scare fruitarians off?

The bread is cooked, hence toxic.

May be you could correct your interpretation, as i only read emotions about bread, or are you too burned out or for ever lost?

By the way: Frugan food is a fruitarian diet and frugans can even eat unhealthy gluten, heated starch mucus bread, baken or a fruitarian raw .?!., as i am not obsessed by dogmatism, because fruitarians do not have to win the first trophy to be the purest undegenerated fruit-fellows, if they are not up to it, that deep.


..Imagine you are living in Alaska, Russia, Sweden, or Norway..
There it may get a bit difficult to survive as a fruitarian but i know that it is possible, even there, iv’e got friends there, except in Alaska ..i do not know fruitarians from there.
ADD:(Even in cold but green countries fruitarians are able to survive the whole year with berries, fruis, and in the winter with apples and nuts. So what?!)
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The bread will produce mucus, which is the cause of all disease, and hence will make me "impure."

Is that paranoia spreading and preaching your business?

The bread contains protein (and/or starch), and all protein/starch is toxic and a horror.


How do you know? Thank you for you suggestion.

I think now it's time for me to relax a bit..

I better say it in Spanish: Estoy cansado ya, comiendo tu marron!
!Vale ya !


listen to Dr. Emoto, what he has to say:

You know about Dr. Emoto and his theory: "Smoking kills" is designed to kill people.. this words make me sick he said...and other words..now you know why aswell you may make others sick with your destructive words about fruitarianism:



Here the point is the obsessive attitude toward food and the pathological fear, that are common to both the anoretic and the fruitarian.
On fruitarian diets, it is very easy to overeat and to fall into the nasty trap of sugar addiction. Sugar is well known for its ability to promote food cravings, which often leads to binge eating and/or overeating.

Is that you heritage you are giving to all fruitarians?
Only because you didn't get love and acceptance and nobody had been kissing your **** it you give and wish us all the same bad feelings you are carrying...? You are giving us your whole punsh of **** in englisch this time..and i don't like to use for letter words..

Whe i read your article i am sometimes afraid, that you might suicide to blame the fruitarians after..That's to bold man, just don't do it and get professional help, at least watch that movie, to understand, what i want to tell you. http://www.fruchtesser.de/frugiforum/sho...hp?tid=174

Did you get tooth problems, while biting through fruitarian minds?

May be you had been only eating the same sweet fruits all year long?

Modern, cultivated fruit is very high in sugar, higher in sugar than most wild, uncultivated fruits. A diet of only fruit may provide excess sugar intake, resulting in diabetes-like symptoms:

most wild, uncultivated fruits had been extinguished and banned from our planet..neither it is the fault of the fruitarians.

sugar cravings,
excessive urination and thirst,
sugar highs/blues,
fatigue.
Excessive sugar, in the long run, may have a negative effect on the pancreas. Fruitarians would be well advised to daily eat some dark, bitter, leafy greens--according to several herbal health systems, bitter greens help regulate sugar metabolism and reduce sugar cravings.

You seem to be completely contradicted.. that helps prejudgements
Fruitarian diets are often very socially isolating. This can be very difficult for some people to handle: extroverts should not try to be fruitarians! The social isolation can promote a sense of psychological deprivation, which further encourages backsliding and binge eating. The social isolation and psychological deprivation can also warp your perception of eating; instead of eating being a nourishing, nurturing experience, it becomes an exercise in egoism (similar to the phony compassion/ego trap that many ethical vegans fall into). One may closely identify with the diet: it becomes a "badge" or "symbol" that defines your individuality--in other words, a projection of the ego, rather than a peaceful, nourishing experience.

Fruitarian diets do not have the fault for social isolation. The Nazis in the 3. Reich had been quite effective in racing facts you named.

Many fruitarians eventually give up the diet as it is too difficult to continue--the intense food obsessions, social isolation, psychological deprivation, frequent hunger--take their toll, with burnout the eventual result. It's interesting that some untreated anoretics also eventually recover from anorexia nervosa for the same reasons. In practice there is little difference in avoiding eating because you fear getting fat, and eating an inadequate (starvation) diet because of fear of cooked food, mucus or protein.

Many fruitarians eventually give up their diet, as it seems to hard for some to continue inbetween a barbaric fanatic killing paranoid war-society. As you are mixing everything up you made it quite difficult to answer.

One must be very careful to practice fruitarianism with a positive attitude, lest it become a diet motivated by an obsessive fear of cooked food, mucus, or protein. When fruitarianism is characterized and motivated by obsessive fear, it becomes an actual eating disorder.
obsessive fears and paranoid viewpoints make it hard to find the right way.
Fruitarians may experience a light, airy "mental" feeling that some compare to a minor drug high, and others mistake for some kind of spiritual feeling. However, the light feeling one gets from fruitarianism does not compare to, and is not the same as, the secure, peaceful, loving feelings that one gets from meditation or other genuine spiritual practices. I speak from direct personal experience on this point, having experienced both kinds of feelings. (Note: some anoretics report mental effects similar to those experienced by fruitarians; that is one reason anorexia nervosa is so hard to overcome.)

To me it seems that you are terribly dissapointed about your own experience and that you had no fruitarian support while you had been going through psychotic phases.

Furthermore, the light or euphoric mental feelings reported by some fruitarians (and those with anorexia nervosa) may be a symptom of zinc deficiency. Zinc supplements are sometimes used in therapy for anorexia nervosa. Similarly, the loss of libido reported by many fruitarians may be yet another symptom of a zinc deficiency (zinc is in short supply in most raw vegan and fruitarian diets).

I know at least where i get my zink from. Had you been suffering from psychosis or other mental issues or not? I guess yes, you did, as i can read.

Fruitarianism, especially the ~100% fruit version, is claimed to be a very "purifying" diet on the physical level. However, it is my observation/opinion that extensive physical "purification," without accompanying spiritual or ethical development, usually leads to mental and/or emotional problems. These mental or emotional problems can take many forms; a few examples from my personal experience are as follows.
A puritanical fruitarian who was obsessed with two things--food and his bowel movements--and who drank vinegar like it was water.

Was that you?

A fruitarian who left his wife, moved to South America and lived naked with his girlfriends on a mountain. (For the curious: this is not a reference to J. L.)

A lot of people left their partner for others, that is nothing special about fruitarians. Was it a whole group of freaking fruitarian experimentators out there.

The numerous fruitarian extremists who vigorously attack all diets other than raw vegan, and whose dialog is filled with egoism, anger, intense hatred, and other negativity. A pure body is irrelevant if your heart and mind are overflowing with the poisons of anger and negativity.

All those bad things are the perfect projections out of your own dissapointed brain cobined with the relevant experiences you had been atracting and if you want to talk about the un-social aspects of fruitarians - i want to remind you, that all human beings have this negative properties you had been explaining, not only fruitarians.

You are basicly talking about pathologic cases and educational victims who tried to manifest the fruitarian life-style out of the blue.

An Alternative: A Near Fruitarian Diet
[This section, which appeared in earlier versions, has been deleted. It described a high-fruit diet that is more diverse than the fruitarian diet. Such diets do work better than strict fruitarian diets, but they also have a poor long-term track record. I deleted the section to prevent some readers from interpreting it as an endorsement of diets similar or close to fruitarianism. I do not advocate any specific diet, and want to warn others of the risks of fruitarian and similar diets.]


I even remember it, i guess, you made me wonder..

Why didn't you leave the PRO-Fruitarian part out, when your only intension is or was to turn people off the fruitarian path?

Neutral Fruit:
Is it the Solution to Excess Sugar in Modern, Cultivated Fruit?
The term neutral fruit refers to fruits that are neither sweet nor acid. This includes many "vegetable fruits": tomatoes, sweet peppers, zucchini, eggplant, cucumbers. However, these fruits also present problems if one tries to make them the basis of a diet:
Tomatoes can be acidic, and many people react negatively to them, especially when eaten in quantity.
Zucchini has little or no flavor.
Raw eggplant is not appealing, in texture or flavor.
Sweet peppers are notorious for causing gas (severe flatulence).
Cucumbers are the least offensive, but provide almost no calories, and very little nutrition.
Question: What do you call someone on a long-term, (nearly) mono-diet of cucumbers?
Answer: In my opinion, the term anoretic provides the most accurate description. The other relevant term is fake unless the individual shows extreme weight loss.
You are answering your own questions and now listen to my answer: I cannot stand lot's of cucumbers, i believe that i cannot digest them easy.

Neutral fruit, primarily cucumbers and some tomatoes, can be part of your diet, but are not a sufficient basis for a diet for most people. (They do not provide adequate calories, unless one consumes huge quantities of them.) Some fruitarian and raw vegan diet advocates suggest that you emphasize neutral fruit if you have trouble with the high sugar content of sweet fruit. Be aware that you may experience severe weight loss if your diet is based on cucumbers. (Once again, reality contradicts idealistic dietary theory.)

Do you still feel important or reponsible for the fruitarian needs, or do you have the feeling, that you must warn other fruitarians from your negative experiences, you did not digest yet?

Epilogue
Don't try fruitarianism out of fear of cooked food, mucus or protein. If you choose to try fruitarianism, do so ONLY if you have clear, positive reasons to motivate you, and do watch for signs of ALL the potential problems listed here. A fruitarian diet that includes protein foods and leafy greens will pose fewer risks/problems than a 100% fruit diet. The information in this article is offered in the hope that it may help those who are considering fruitarianism.

Thank you so much for all your faith and fruitarian motivation, even when it sounded a bit like internet-woodoo.
After reading your article i am afraid, that you lost a lot of friends, but that is nothing special during global mass manipulation and pig-influencia, mad cow disease and others.

Some readers of this article may think the difficulties of fruitarianism are exaggerated here: they are not, but you are of course free to find out the hard way, if you prefer. To anyone on a fruitarian diet, or contemplating one, I wish you good luck: you will probably need it!
I think you had been undertaking a bit, as i believe, that it's much better for fruitarians to survive, than you may think, because you do not know me, nor my case.. and as i believe, also my life seems sometimes difficult for me, but i never ment it difficult..

Editorial note (2):
The term anorexic is often used to denote a person suffering from anorexia nervosa. However, the proper use of the term anorexic is as an adjective. The correct noun to use is anoretic or the alternative spelling, anorectic. See the footnotes on pp. 2-3 of the book Wasted: A Memoir of Anorexia and Bulimia by M H (1998, Harper Flamingo, New York) for a discussion of this issue.
anorexic is an adjective for food-fear-manipulation-issues and a big deamon in lot's of lifes. God thanks it is not a fruitarian invention.
Once i had a girlfriend who suffered from bulimia in puberty, she blamed her parents, to force to much educational pressure on her.

After healing her disease, she got vegetarian and a music therapist helping others who got it too.
--T. E. B.
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you could help better, if you would not have failed, but you helped me to undestand you too. Believe me, it took years to answer, because you and some others had been the first who tried to stop fruitarians and forced me to have bad feelings and doubt when i wanted to read something nice about fruitarianism. Thank you, that you gave me YOUR hard lesson too.

Never forget, we all are humans and thank God - that you are not our dictator, only your own.

Thanks for your analysis. fruitarian regards ons@
Rudolf Sappel

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Tom Bilings, thankfully, has been proven wrong so many times throughout the years, I'm surprised his articles still exist

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I guess he made a business or at least a mission out of his fights, to feel better about himself.

He gave me quite hard times, during i tried to answer his systematic fruitarian interventions.

My try to analyse his pathologic review had the reason, that he spreaded his article arround the whole world to turn people off, confuse and manipulate a lot of fruit friends - specially fruitarian beginners.

Fruitarian starters are often falling straight into his trap and begin suddenly to feel bad about fruitarianism, after reading his article..

Also i realised, that a lot fruitarian terminators manifest basicly the fact, he had been installing a mental battle-field against other fruitarians, they are referring to.
May be he still wants to play the fruitarian judge - forgetting that he failed himself.

When i could not stand his inverventions anymore, i had been looking at Dr. Emotos video, to relax again.

I denied to make a link to the fruitarian dream time yet because they sound a bit like Anti-veggies doing anti-fruitarian woodoo..

instead i want to bring an other argument to favour our fruitarian evolution:

http://fruchtesser.de/frugiforum/showthread.php?tid=171